The salary was going to start when the funding landed, or when the first real customer signed, or in six months, whichever came first. It has been eight months. The funding is still close. You have built a substantial part of somebody else’s company, you have rent due, and you are about to have the conversation where you say you cannot keep doing this for free. Every part of that conversation is harder than it should be, and the reason has almost nothing to do with whether the other person is honest.
Two days ago I wrote about why free users don’t upgrade. The argument was that friction and commitment are the same dial: take the price off to get more people in, and you also take away the thing that made any of them commit. I want to point that at somewhere it does not obviously belong, which is your own working life.
If you have been building something for equity, you have been running on a free plan. You set your price at zero, you have delivered for months, and now you need to convert to paid. There is no upgrade button, no billing system, and no scheduled moment when it happens. The conversion has to be performed by hand, in a conversation, by the person who needs it most.
I have written a fair amount about whether to take these deals. The Equity Tell makes the case that early equity is worth close to nothing, because the exchange only ever runs one direction. You’ve Been Offered Equity to Build Something is how to evaluate the offer in front of you, and Don’t Take a Share in a Business That Doesn’t Exist Yet is the rule underneath all of it. I am treating all of that as settled here. This one is for the person who already said yes.
You set a price, and the price was zero
Every week you worked for nothing, you produced evidence. Not evidence about your value, evidence about your rate.
Eight months of delivered, competent work at zero dollars is the strongest possible demonstration that this work can be obtained for zero dollars. You built the case against yourself while doing an excellent job, which is the part that stings. A worse contributor would have generated less proof.
This is the free-tier problem pointed at a person. A software company that gives away its best feature finds out that people will take the best feature for free and feel fine about it. You ran the same experiment on your own labor and got the same result, and now you are the one holding a pricing page nobody asked to see.
Eight months of excellent work at zero dollars is the strongest possible proof that the work can be had at zero dollars.
Two people, two ledgers
You are keeping a ledger. It has an hourly rate on it, a market value for what has been built so far, eight months of work you turned down elsewhere, and a mortgage payment that did not pause while any of this was happening. You know roughly what a shop would have charged for the same scope, because pricing that is part of your job.
They are keeping a ledger too. Theirs says both of us are sacrificing, we are in this together, and the money comes from customers rather than out of my pocket. It may also say that they put in their savings, that they work every evening, and that they are being squeezed from three other directions at the same time.
Neither of you is lying. The ledgers are genuinely different, and the difference that matters is that their version has no line item for your time, because your time has never had a number attached to it in any document either of you has read. It has been free for so long that it stopped registering as a cost at all. That is not a character flaw. It is what happens to anything that is free for long enough, which is the whole reason the free tier is hard to convert.
Why asking makes you the villain
The strangest part is how the request lands.
You say you need to start being paid, and it arrives as a betrayal rather than a business item. It becomes a revelation about your character. You are greedy, or you never really believed in it, or you were a mercenary all along who was only ever in it for the money.
Hold on. You are a professional. You do this for a living, you have a rate, and almost nobody in this arrangement is a volunteer. The other person is not volunteering either, they are working on their own company. Being paid for professional work is the ordinary case, and it was the arrangement you were both in that was unusual.
It feels like a rug pull to them because the expectation of free had eight months to set, and expectations are what got violated rather than any agreement anybody signed. That is why this is a conversion problem and not really a negotiation. You are not arguing about a number. You are asking somebody to accept that a thing that was free now has a price, and people are bad at that in every context it ever comes up in.
The maddening version is when both things are true at once: they genuinely believe in what you are building together, and they also cannot picture paying for it, and those are not in conflict inside their head at all.
The renegotiation runs downhill
When these get reopened, they almost always resolve in the other party’s favor. Sometimes that is straightforward exploitation, and the ugly version does exist. Most of the time nobody is being nefarious, and the mechanism does not require a villain to work.
Your sunk cost is leverage against you. Eight months in, walking away means eight months for nothing, and you have told people what you are working on. That is the same engine as the spec work spiral: your own investment grows every week and makes each next week feel cheaper than quitting.
They hold the paper. The entity, the cap table, the agreement, the accounts. If the percentage was discussed verbally, it is worth roughly what verbal promises about percentages are worth.
The alternative to a bad revised deal is nothing. That is what makes a bad revised deal look reasonable in the room. You end up comparing the offer to zero rather than comparing it to fair, and against zero almost anything wins.
Put those together and the offer that comes back is usually a smaller number than you asked for, a start date further out than you asked for, or a fresh promise with a new trigger attached to it. And you will probably take it, because the arithmetic in that room genuinely favors taking it.
A software company at least has an upgrade button
One comparison does most of the work here, and it is the reason these two posts belong together.
A company converting a free user to a paid one has a pricing page, a billing system, a charge date, and an email that goes out before it. The transition is designed. Somebody sat down and drew the moment where money starts, and everybody who signs up is told when it is coming.
An equity arrangement has none of that machinery and every bit of the same psychology. No date was set. No trigger was defined in a way anybody could check. There is no scheduled moment where the conversion is supposed to occur, so it has to be manufactured on demand by whoever needs it, which is you, which is the party with the least leverage of the two.
That is the finding. A freemium company knows the second conversion is coming and builds infrastructure to handle it. You took on the same structural risk and built nothing, because at the beginning it did not look like a risk. It looked like belief.
The version that works gets built on day one
The conversion has to be designed into the deal at the start, because it cannot be designed in on day two hundred. By then you are not designing anything, you are asking.
What goes in the agreement before you write any code
- 1
Put a number on the work even if nobody pays it today
A rate in writing, and a running figure for what has accrued. It can convert to cash on a trigger, to a promissory note, or to additional equity at a defined price. The number's job is to exist, so that your time is a line item in both ledgers instead of just yours.
- 2
Set a date, not a milestone nobody can audit
"When we raise" is not a date and neither is "once revenue picks up." "January 15, or the close of a round, whichever comes first" is a date. If the trigger cannot be checked by looking at a calendar or a bank statement, it will not trigger.
- 3
Schedule the review before anybody needs it
Put a meeting on the calendar for month three with an agenda, while everyone is still happy. The same conversation is routine when it was scheduled in advance and a crisis when it has to be requested.
- 4
Write down what happens if it does not work
What you are owed, what you keep, who owns the code, and how either side leaves. Most of the disputes I have watched were not caused by the disappointment. They were caused by nobody having written this section.
- 5
Do a small paid piece first
Even a reduced rate, even a few days. It establishes that money moves between you, which tells you more about the next year than any conversation will. This one is covered properly in You've Been Offered Equity to Build Something.
None of that is available to you if you are already eight months in, and that is exactly the point. This is a post I would want somebody to read on day one. It is going to be read mostly on day two hundred, which is the normal case and a large part of why these arrangements end the way they do.
If you are already in it
Less is available here than I would like, and I would rather say so than pad it.
Raise it now rather than later. It does not get easier with time, it gets harder, because every additional week is another week of evidence that the price is zero.
Bring a number and a date. “I need to start getting paid” invites a conversation about feelings, and you will lose that conversation. “I need $4,000 a month starting November 1, and here is what I will keep delivering for it” invites a decision, which is what you actually want.
Offer the version where they keep something. Reduced cash plus the equity. Fewer hours at a real rate. Finishing one defined piece and then stopping. A proposal that costs them less than losing you is the one that gets accepted, and you are the only person in the room who can construct it.
Get whatever is agreed in writing that day, in an email if nothing more formal is possible. Memories diverge fastest about the conversations that were uncomfortable to have.
Decide before you walk in what you do if the answer is no, and be genuinely willing for the answer to be no. If you are not, you are not making a request, you are expressing a hope, and people can hear the difference immediately.
ℹ On the word mercenary
If somebody reaches for that word, or for “not a team player,” the conversation has moved from the business to your character, and it usually means the business answer is no. You do not have to win that argument. You are allowed to say that you work for money, the way the electric company works for money, and go back to the number and the date.
Where these usually end
I would rather give you the base rate than sell you a technique.
Most of these do not get converted. They get unwound. You take a smaller number than you asked for, or you finish something and leave, or you walk away holding a percentage of a company that never turns into anything, plus an expensive education in what your time was worth. That is where spec work ends up and it is where most equity-for-work ends up, for the same reason in both cases: the price was set at zero at the start, and very little that happens afterward moves it.
People go in with stars in their eyes, and the story is that six months of nothing comes back as a multiple. That story is why anybody accepts the deal. I have argued elsewhere that you are not making an investment at all, you are buying a lottery ticket, and Take the Bait, Eat the Poison is about why the offers that get us are the ones arriving when we most need a reason for optimism.
What I want to add is that even people who understand the lottery ticket going in still get caught by this part. The odds were never the hard bit. The hard bit was letting the meter run at zero for eight months and then having to explain why it should start.
Key Takeaway
Working for equity sets your price at zero, publicly, one week at a time. Converting that to paid is a second event, at least as hard as agreeing to the work in the first place, and unlike a software company you have no billing system to run it for you. Build the conversion into the deal on day one, with a number and a date, or expect to negotiate uphill against your own track record.
There is a good version of all of this and I am not writing any of it to talk anybody out of building something with somebody they believe in. Do it with a rate written down, a date on the calendar, and a paragraph about what happens if it does not work. Those three things cost nothing on day one and they are the entire difference between a partnership and an expensive lesson.
Frequently Asked Questions
- How do I ask to get paid after months of working for equity?
- Raise it as soon as you know, bring a specific number and a specific start date, and offer a version that costs them less than losing you, such as reduced cash alongside the equity or fewer hours at a real rate. Put whatever is agreed in an email the same day. Decide in advance what you will do if the answer is no, because a request you are not prepared to act on reads as a hope and gets treated like one.
- Why do equity renegotiations usually favor the other side?
- Three things stack up, and none of them require anybody to behave badly. Your sunk time is leverage against you, because walking away means all of it was for nothing. They control the entity, the agreement and the accounts. And the alternative to a bad revised deal is no deal, so you end up comparing the offer to zero instead of comparing it to fair.
- The startup promised a salary once funding landed and it hasn't. What now?
- Treat the promise as expired rather than pending, and re-open it as a new arrangement with a date that can be checked on a calendar or a bank statement. "When we raise" is not a trigger, because nobody can audit it and it can recede indefinitely. If the honest answer is that there is no money and no date, you are being asked to keep extending credit, and that is a decision to make deliberately rather than by continuing to show up.
- Is it worth working for equity instead of a salary?
- Rarely before there is revenue. Early equity has no buyer, which is why the exchange only ever runs one direction: people trade labor for it constantly and almost nobody trades cash for it at the same valuation. The Equity Tell makes that case in full and is the post to read on the question itself, since this one assumes you already took the deal.
- What should be in writing before I start building for equity?
- The percentage, vesting and a cliff, what happens if either side leaves, what happens on a sale, and who owns the code. Add a rate for the work and a date or checkable trigger for when cash starts, which is the part people leave out and the part this post is about. You've Been Offered Equity to Build Something covers the full list for evaluating an offer before you accept it.
Working for a Percentage and Need It to Become Money?
If you are some months into building something for equity and the paid part keeps moving, it helps to talk it through with someone who has no stake in your answer.
Founder, 1123Interactive
Seven ventures over 25 years. I have argued against equity-for-work arrangements for most of that time, and the reason has always been what happens six months in rather than what happens on day one.
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